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technology ah it’s making sense now jaone also announced an app platform for the jawone up wristband speaking with bloom ber Blackberry CEO torson hin says that tablets themselves are not a good business model and he doesn’t think there will be a reason to have a tablet in 5 years uh it’s not known whether Hines is a genius or whether he’s expecting an apocalypse in under five years for years the FBI has campaigned for greater wiretap like Provisions regarding internet communications a law called CA gives them access to isps in certain cases but now the agency wants to force web companies to allow the feds to have a back door The Washington Post sites unnamed administ ation officials saying that Facebook and Google are being pressured to allow for electronic communications to be intercepted quote as they occur The Proposal would make compliance mandatory and be punishable by fines games Company Green hurt most recently released an $8 game called Game Dev Tycoon where you pretend to be a game developer very Inception likee I guess where it gets interesting though is that the Creator Patrick clug also released a torrent of the game with a little twist after a few hours players of the torrented version get a sales report saying cracked versions of the game were being downloaded and the company might soon go bankrupt the irony was lost on some players who complained about the bug on forums wait it’s not working Bloomberg reports that Nokia will invest in Pelican Imaging to bring more camera power to its Lumia line of phones Pelican makes software that can handle images made by array cameras array cameras use multiple lenses and build images using software a partner at Nokia growth partner says that Pelican has mastered that technology hey you want to buy an ad on Twitter sure yeah don’t have to wait for an invite anymore to spend your money Uh Kevin wild Twitter’s senior director of product announced at Tech crunch disrupt that the company is opening up Twitter ads to 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news today joining us now to discuss the stories of the day very happy to have Stephen Shanklin senior writer for CET news joining us uh usually a a Europe uh resident but you’re in you’re in the States today you’re in Detroit huh that’s right it’s time for my little uh annual April circuit uh preparing to go out to goo in California in a couple weeks okay that makes sense tour to the US the shankland America Tour begins yeah well we got some good stuff to talk about today let’s start with that 9-to-5 Max story about Johnny getting rid of the skorm making iOS 7 code name insbrook apparently according to sources have a flatter design a couple of things from that story loses all signs of gloss shine and skew morphism seen across current and past versions of iOS and a level of flatness approaching recent releases of the Metro UI on Windows phone also more glanceable in info so like with the notifications in is where you swipe down they’d be doing that in more cases maybe a swipe to the right to see running program or something uh if iOS goes a little tiik or or do you think it’ll be different than enough that it won’t look imitative is is this what they need to do is this the direction they need to go what do you think shank I do think that this is a fine Direction so I I I’m of the belief that there’s a huge amount of cross polonization idea theft in the in the computer industry and you know I think the idea that you know X did it first company Y is copying it I think that’s overblown I really think that there’s quite a lot of idea lifting all over and it’s kind of unfair to say just because one aspect of an operating system looks like one aspect of somebody else’s operating system it’s it’s the idea of copying is overblown but I do think that it’s a great idea to uh you know get rid of some of the glits and and Sizzle of some of these user interfaces what happens I think in Des the design World Is You people who do things because they can so you know new version of Photoshop comes out you can clone this and put in lens flare and do all that stuff and people do it because they can they don’t necessarily do it because they ought to and I think iOS and Mac OS 10 before it has suffered some of that where they do stuff because it kind of looked fancy but now I think people are kind of pairing back to a more utilitarian look and that’s good I I’ve always been a little bugged by the iOS interface it always seemed a little bit Fisher Price uh a little bit toy looking and I I’ve been waiting to see what what they would do when they finally got around to tweaking it Sarah what what do you expect well I I don’t know that I agree with you that it seems sort of kid-like uh when you say fider press I assume that’s what you mean but I’m also really used to it so when I hear hey let’s you know the icons will be flatten it’ll look a lot more like Metro I think for the most part people think that Metro is pretty nice looking um I’ve sometimes had some issue with the various sizes of kind of you know tiles and rectangles typee of a thing it doesn’t really seem like iOS would go in too much of a random like look I see iOS is always being very very uniform but flattening some icons I don’t know I don’t really have a problem with that I think that that’s it seems a little bit like really I mean are we really talking about this as if it’s a huge deal I mean maybe yes the leather bound calendar and the the and the note- taking app that looks like a a yellow p of paper were all sort of introduced when the iPhone came out so that we would all get used to this idea look it’s like a calendar you know like your old calendar that you had on your desk that was made of paper those days are over we know what that means right it’s just a it’s a matter of being able to do our work and and sync up programs uh across the iOS ecosystem so so yeah if it makes it look more modern I guess that that’s the way that Apple’s going to go IAS what do you think are we uh are we seeing a good change is it time for a change or should Apple just kind of go slowly the way they have the the last six revisions I think Apple’s been going plenty slowly far for far too long when it comes to this uh this metro style or this flatten style or maybe even just type being typog graphic based the thing is the retin displays on iPads and the retin displays on their iPhones make it possible to have really sharp text originally why you would bother to have these crazy glitzy icons is so you could identify it on a low red screen as something you already knew but now that you can see very clearly text and you can see tiny tiny images on a really highres display you don’t necessarily need that same of Glitz and glamour this big thing of hey this is what this is you can actually read the text or you could see a finely drawn image in a very small space all right let’s move on to that acquisition that we heard about from jaone uh they got another wearable tech company body media I guess that makes sense because they make some wearable tech right like Bluetooth headsets Jawbone UP but what what is this company Sarah so body media is about 14 years old based in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania um makes Health monitoring armbands I wouldn’t say they’re you know that in in general they’re a little bit larger than than maybe what job own has put out in the past but job own has acquired the company the deal is said by parties who are familiar with the matter to be over $100 million and you know this isn’t the first company that job own has acquired they acquired massive Health they acquired visir both both of those were mostly Talent Acquisitions though what’s interesting about body media is not only is it in the wearable tech space but body media has over 80 patents that have been issued over the years and most of those are in this uh area of multisensor technology job own has its own patents between the two of the companies now as one big company they’ll have over 300 patents issued um and filed supposedly body media’s armbands if you’re thinking oh man I really like this company and now it’s going to go away uh those will continue being sold for the foreseeable future um and the thing about body media that is probably interesting to Jawbone patents aside is that it’s more than kind of the accelerometer technology that we’ve seen in a lot of these competing wearable armband exercise type Technologies body media sensors have four different types of sensors so skin temperature heat flux galvanic skin response also known as GSR that’s a term that gets thrown around now overall movement so if you were to incorporate some of this technology in a job on up for example all of a sudden it’s a much more robust uh piece of technology um that you’re wearing and Tom as you mentioned in the news views job own is also opening up its mobile software to 10 different fitness app makers so you got RunKeeper some of these might uh some of you guys might be using these already My Fitness Pal lose it why things sleepio and then if this then that so you could actually basically add workout prompts for yourself based on based on the kind of data uh that your that your job own or your body media device is picking up so that’s pretty cool uh I think that probably this this makes a lot more sense as far as the patents go I as I don’t know if if uh you know body media has these patents that are specifically sensor based that jobon wants you could possibly you could think of this as an offensive move and keep uh someone like oh I don’t know apple or Microsoft or any of the number the plethora of comp that are doing wearable tech from infringing yeah that’s that’s the thing jobs got to think about their future and if they have this company and they have this patent portfolio they can either make a lot of money licensing this out to all these other companies that are trying to get either in the fitness section of it the Smartwatch section of it but when I’m looking at at this this thing about picking up body media body media also I I think does a really great job when it comes to sleep tracking and the thing is this has been something missing on certain things like the Nike Fuel bands and if if Jawbone can have a have more I guess variation in their devices cuz right now it’s just the up when it comes to that and if if jawon could learn about durability from something like body media if you ever seen the body media devices they’re chunky they’re big but they don’t break as much as the Jawbone stuff so maybe there there’s going to be some good information exchange right there too Stephen do you think this is a match made in heaven job own uh jaone has the sleekness but yeah I mean The Jone up that I used uh bricked pretty quickly after I started wearing it is body media the the key to the best wearable technology out there yeah I think we’re getting to the point where we really uh the technology is developing really fast here and anybody who has good credible technology portfolio is is is you know is very desirable right now because you know the first applications here the first products have been very narrow very limited and I think a lot of what’s going to be important is how we put these things all together so you have you know a a big Suite of sensors all feeding data in and you know I think there’s going to be a lot of synchronization and coordination issues with with smartphones and with the internet in general I think we’re still you know we’re not even in chapter one really of this market so I think at this stage acquiring companies for their technology and even their intellectual property portfolio I think that’s probably pretty smart Tom body media have you uh have you had an experience with uh wearable technology from body media no I haven’t and I don’t watch The Biggest Loser either you know the thing that does get me excited about this is the the the job owned mobile software so it’s cool that they have body media coming perhaps we’ll have a wider Suite of gadgets to choose from from jawone uh but the ability to have more of an open platform it’s not open per se but but a platform that I can use with RunKeeper and and lose it and things like that might get me off of using Nike plus I use Nike Plus as my run trer just because it was the most popular app at the time when I started using it but it’s I’m locked in I I can only use it and its devices so this might get me to switch to RunKeeper which a lot of my friends use M and before we get any emails we know that that Fitbit has a bunch of Partnerships that are very similar so thanks thank you for that uh let’s uh let’s talk about Thorston Hines he’s going to get some emails for saying that five years tablets will be gone five years okay yeah so we got some quotes in an interview with Bloomberg now right now the Q10 the Blackberry querty phone is out and so I guess thoron Hines wants to do some talking to the press and he’s talking to Bloomberg and he’s got a couple of quotes quote in 5 years I don’t think there’ll be a reason to have a tablet anymore quote maybe a big screen in your workspace but not a tablet as such tablets themselves are not a good business model end quote uh back in January hin said that Blackberry would consider a new playbook that’s their tablet if it could be profitable and uh I guess the question that popped in my head when I saw this story uh Steve let me ask you this is thoron heines insane I I wouldn’t say insane but I would say decoupled from reality I I I I I have no idea where he’s where he’s getting his ideas I mean maybe if you put a qualifier in there it’s not a good business to be in if you’re not Apple well maybe that’s the case but I see no trouble with uh tablets as a business model you could maybe put some qualifiers in there like well maybe he’s thinking of a more Microsoft like tablet approach where a tablet is you know some hybridized product that can you know become a PC in some circumstances but I have no idea what he’s talking about tablets are fine they’re here to stay they’re useful people use them all the time maybe the Playbook was a complete flop but that doesn’t mean tablets are Tom could you parse this uh this quote any any differently right first of all Stephen I’m GNA use that in court I plea decoupled from reality defense uh yeah and if we want to talk psychology terms I kind of think Thorston Hines might be experiencing a confirmation bi us here which is oh the tablet that I was in charge of when I was in charge of blackberry did do very well therefore tablets are not going to do very well uh I I really do feel like that’s what’s going on is he’s he’s only using the data he knows from the company he worked at and uh I don’t see tablets in five years being gone now one to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe what he’s saying is in five years tablets will be like phones they will they will change they will morph there there will be new versions of them maybe foldable versions wearable versions and the tablet we know today will won’t be as common and if if that’s what he’s saying than that that’s probably true every nothing stays the same forever but that doesn’t mean that they’re not a good business model that means that they’ll invol they’ll evolve and become better I you know I think Stephen you mentioned it’s it’s it’s not just Apple’s game here anymore for tablets but it’s like apple had this runaway hit when the iPad came out so then you saw a lot of different tablets and no other company has has enjoyed as much success as the iPad has so I guess you could think of that in that way as yeah well we can’t all have hits right but that’s just I mean it’s not as if no one’s had success it’s just that it’s been difficult to capture quite a bit of market share that was so heavily dominated by Apple but it is happening slowly but surely yeah Blackberry seems to be stuck in a Time Warp like there everything they’re saying is great for three years ago like here’s a quty keyboard phone here’s a touchcreen phone it’s really brilliant and also tablets ah we don’t know about that Blackberry tried with their playbook it was the basis of their touchscreen phone the Z10 so I’m kind of curious why you would think a tablet isn’t a good idea when their flagship phone is a mini tablet at this point I don’t really know what the difference is other than the the screen size phone oh yeah that’s the crazy thing tiny it’s they make a bigger one maybe they’ll have a fablet maybe that’s future is obviously very large phones 10 in phones right maybe that’s what he’s saying there’s not a need for it because our phones will keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger I’m just not sure what to make of hind sometimes this is uh but he’s now he’s he’s getting up there in Eric Schmidt quality of of quotes this is pretty up there 57 varieties of crazy sauce hind let’s take a now you’re just trolling for titles thank you for 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sort of thing Fab has acquired a company called massive concept A Hamburg Germany based startup uh so that’s you know you can read massive concept with as much of a German accent as as you can and they sell custombuilt Furniture online so the two uh companies will now merge now the the the the goods will only available in Europe at first although Fab says the first store that’s going to be a physical store will be based in Hamburg this is sort of a byproduct of the two companies merging because massive concept already had a storefront but they will test other markets outside of Germany for physical retail stores they’re also uh launching a new line of products called exclusively Fab opening physical Fab stores as part of it too uh fab.com will be expanding into France previously unavailable there and then launching a redesigned site uh with iOS IOS app redesigns coming soon for the iPhone and the iPad and what’s interesting about this is you go okay well Fab is clearly trying to uh put more emphasis on furniture furniture makes up only about 5% of Fab’s total sales right now but the company says the furniture market is ripe for disruption during the Press event uh where the company laid out their their plans and their acquisition information there were lots of mentions of Amazon and Ikeas and the fact that Amazon was the first wave of e-commerce and that Fab currently sells more products than Ikea over 15,000 in fact this is interesting Stephen do you do you see Fab having stores across the world and an online component I mean to me that sounds almost like a more successful Pottery burn model than an Amazon model you know it it’s funny I think if you look at the world of Commerce here’s what this reminds me of Remember When Dell was the bomb and it was the greatest computer maker ever and they bragged so much about their direct sales model where they didn’t have all these resellers in the middle mom and pop stores and you know brick and mortar companies Amazon is kind of like that it does really well where you don’t need to show up in a store and you know feel the goods and and you know see if the wood looks cheesy or or or or really you know high quality I think there’s a place in the world for Brick and Mortar for real real stores where people can get a feel for it I think Furniture is a great example of that where you’re going to you know you can’t tell from a you know a picture this big on your screen whether that lamp or that table is is is is high quality so I think brick and mortar has has a you know has a real place for things and if you do it in partnership with uh you know some kind of online sales component I think it can work out really well because then you have you know people testing it seeing what they like and then they maybe do the order fulfillment later on uh online or they liked it the first time around so they trust it so the next time they don’t bother with the brick and mortar uh trip so you know I think it’s a little silly to call Amazon some you know also ran some relic of the first age of e-commerce that’s obviously extremely silly but I I do think there’s a place in the world for for Brick and morar uh now the concept of customizing all your products uh you know I think I think there’s a finite appetite for that you know people will buy some packages some options packages maybe with their cars or they um you know buy the high-end middle-end or low-end iPhone but I don’t think people want to con constantly be specifying every little everything about their clothes or their furniture or or or or whatever it is uh so I think that’s fine but I don’t think it’s a way to get ahead I as Tom mentioned earlier this is something that he could see Amazon doing getting more into the retail business and we’ve talked about that in the past is there something that Fab has figured out is it because they would have all exclusive not just Furniture but designs in general I mean there are a lot of things you can get on Amazon that you can get at your grocery store as well Amazon pretty much has one of every single thing you want uh to Steven’s Point I’m starting to think that I just furnished a place and sometimes I’m looking at couches and I want them to be either slightly smaller or slightly larger there something about being in the store trying out how they are and then say you know what could you make that about 80% of the size of what you have or make that larger because Furniture is a hard sell in general you’re going to you there’s all of this this tactile sensation of sitting in the in the actual chair trying out the fabric trying trying out seeing what it looks like in certain lights and unless you have a color calibrated monitor you just you just don’t see that in real life so I think for a company that makes custom things it might be intelligent Amazon doesn’t need anything like that because it’s not just a custom thing they have everything and by keeping a small selection and theoretically customize things for certain people I think this makes a more sense than Amazon going into the retail space Tom do you see Amazon making their own exclusive sectional couches or is this just just a market that that Fab is kind a corner here that’s a really interesting question because I I agree with shank and I agree with aaz as well that that you don’t want too much choice but you want some right in fact one of the best experiences I had was buying a couch in January when we moved into this new place and we went to a a custom shop but they had models out and they’re like basically tell us which model you like and then tell us the measurements you need to fill so was The Best of Both Worlds we didn’t have to like come up with the couch from the ground up we picked a color we picked a size and then he asked us a couple of questions it’s a that kind of personal interaction though that that makes that work so I don’t know if the online if you can translate that to the online experience uh and it certainly isn’t fit with Amazon’s way of doing things which is algorithm everything right uh I I definitely could see Amazon coming up with some kind of physical presence but it’s probably not this here’s here’s here’s another thought I had in this matter which is the idea of Amazon’s profits now the company you know gets by on famously lousy uh profits you know their revenue keeps growing like mad but their profits don’t keep growing like mad I I honestly I don’t see this I don’t see customization as really being a great fix to that particular shareholder problem because you know if you do a lot of brick and mortar and you do a lot of customization and a lot of uh you know sales person involvement that high touch kind of marketplace that seems really out of step with Amazon I’m not convinced they do really well with it I guess maybe they preserved some of that with zap hos but uh you know it doesn’t seem like it’s their thing and it seems like it’s you know low volume High touch sales you know maybe you get a higher profit per sale because you can charge this big premium but it seems to me Amazon’s way of doing things is to go after the volume and not to go after a high-end Niche you know you can buy expensive things there you can buy $77,000 slrs and $10,000 you know lenses and stuff like that but those that’s just you know one product in a box so that’s that’s much easier and I see that as a a more plausible direction for them to try to plump up per product profit margins I’ve always thought Amazon would do something where the physical store is just an easier way to get the thing that you ordered from them rather than than a than a store with like you say like high touch service we talked earlier about Yahoo and their exclusive deal with NBC and speculated Maybe that was a way towards more video cuz we knew Yahoo was wanting to do more video and now they’ve announced more video a what have they announced yah’s going to they are going to introduce six new original web shows this year I’m only going to Spotlight a couple of them the nerdiest one has to be tiny Commando which is created by Ed Helms with zachar Zachary Levi of Chuck Fame and Jillian Jacobs it’s it’s about a 4 inch tall private investigator who fights crime that’s one there’s a talk show called four inches four in yes cuz he’s tiny command he’s tiny right hence the title there’s a talk show with with the title losing your virginity with John Stamos oh hang on John Stamos interviews celebrities about their first sexual experiences in this show oh they they’re not losing it to John St that would be a different style of programming I would think forah that’s a Yahoo pivot I would think uh Yahoo also announced the Partnerships with ABC news for News programming Ki nass for lifestyle video CNBC for finance news and the WWE for the soap oper known as professional wrestling Stephen what do you think about Yahoo still being in the original content game is this something they should be doing yes you know I think people have been uh you know struggling with this idea since the Terry semble days maybe before that of you know is Yahoo a technology company is yahooo a Content company I I don’t think that the company need be exclusively one or the other they might have kind of a an identity crisis trying to figure out how much of Google they should be because Google’s all over the map too but I don’t I don’t see those two directions as mutually exclusive and you know frankly they still have huge uh audience they have a lot of people going by their website and I think if you’re in that situation then online video online TV shows makes reasonable sense one of the downsides is you risk alienating a lot of Partners who have their own online video but we’ve seen with uh Amazon doing this and with Netflix doing this that you know there’s an increasing tolerance for uh the the the the online companies to produce their own video so I think I think the stigma attached to that is getting lower and you know frankly I think that we’re still kind of in the early days of this recognition that the means of Distributing content video or whatever it is uh is changing dramatically the you know cable TV companies the studios and people like that they’re still kind of living in a in a in an in an older World once you have the internet distribution becomes very difficult so I I think you know I’m not going to predict success for any of these TV shows uh but I think I think Yahoo it’s it’s fine for them to go into the original content business it’s you know it’s it’s a good way to get potential loyalty to get people coming back to their site and for them to actually uh you know do something that people want that you know doesn’t just date from the days of Rocket mail in the 1990s SAR do you think there going to come a time when when people think I want to watch some online video I’m going to Yahoo and not YouTube yes um all we need is for losing your virginity with John Stamos to be a hit and all of a sudden people think of Yahoo as a place that uh original programming can Thrive I that’s this is the same way that I feel about Netflix and we’ve seen this actually work well with Netflix recently it’s the same way I feel about Amazon if quality content exists it’s not hard to access you can see it for free you know or for or with some model that’s you know easy to acquire then people will watch and they’ll talk about it and they’ll share it with their friends look at Uncle Jesse like I don’t I mean he’s great right I don’t know I’m probably GNA watch that show just because I want to see the train wreck that is the content of that but yes Yahoo has just as much success potential with original programming than a lot of the other companies as a lot of the other companies that are doing the same thing right now Tom when you think Netflix you think video obviously because that’s what they used to do and that’s what DVDs and in streaming Amazon does everything including video Yahoo seems to do kind of everything but nobody seems to know exactly what they’re doing do you think you’re going to start thinking video with Yahoo I I don’t have anything much more to add to what these guys have said I think they’ve made all the the the important points regarding Yahoo getting to this game I’m just happy to see another entrance in it it’s the Cambrian explosion of online content this is the followon effect of the established industry resisting putting their content online is you’re going to see everybody else getting into the game saying you know we got some money we can fund a production we can get some names let’s do this since the big companies that do the have been doing this for decades won’t allow their content online there’s a big Market let’s take advantage of it so you do see Netflix Hulu Amazon crackle uh you see all of these companies getting into it some backed by the industry some not Yahoo’s been after this for a long time they’ve been doing original programming they they were doing original programming you know back in 2010 2009 uh even earlier so this isn’t new for them it’s just new to be getting into it at this level and I think that’s great I think that’s cool and I definitely think this this opens up more opportunities for companies like canistream.it to find where all this stuff is if things are on YouTube Yahoo Hulu Netflix Amazon because they’re all doing independent content I want to be able to find it at some point so if you’re out there can I stream it catalog all of this I know you’re there let’s uh finish up with a great arst technical article that Casey Johnson uh wrote about characters in your passwords we we’ve coveted about this at different points a lot the fact that one place only allows like six characters and you’re like that’s that’s not safe you need more characters than that another place won’t allow special characters and Steve Gibson’s always saying you got to have special characters if you want to keep this safe so Casey Johnson looked into it and asked a few companies why do you have your passwords policy set this way for instance Microsoft only allows 8 to 16 characters they say password length doesn’t stop most attacks fishing malware the people reusing their passwords that’s really it’s not really worth the effort to allow large passwords because of that uh also password validation isn’t centralized across projects so even if they decided to allow larger passwords it would be a lot more work than just changing one piece of code they’d have to change it in a lot of different places Ever Note 6 to 64 characters but they don’t allow spaces because they say some of their UI Frameworks and third party applications unreliably trim spaces and others don’t so trying to code to test for that doesn’t make sense they say the 1.5% entropy increase in allowing spaces isn’t work the tripling of and code and then I think the most interesting was AT&T which is 8 to 24 characters and no symbols they do allow an underscore and a Dash but no other symbols also they don’t allow swear words Casey found out uh they say customers didn’t like typing symbols when using mobile phones so we just said no Stephen do you think any of these reasons are sufficient for going against what is often recommended for safe password practice I’ll I’ll tell you one thing which is that I I look at all these details it’s clear that there’s a lot of angst about getting the programming right you know clearly there’s just you know any number of custom spaghetti code out there that each company uses you know varying levels of reliability and security and all that’s fine but I I you know I look at this huge spread of different ideas and it’s so clear to me that the password system is just profoundly broken it’s just it’s so not scalable I I mean I don’t know I probably have 500 passwords now that I’ve accumulated over the years some of them I’m very religious about changing and being very secure about some of them date from 2002 and I’m never going to touch them again you know the password system is is is not good and this I think is a great uh you know synopsis of of the all the little ways it’s it’s broken passwords aren’t going to go away anytime soon but I think we will see more Reliance on Central authentication mechanisms whether that’s Facebook or Google Plus or something on Microsoft I think that’s the direction that we’re we’re going to be going and you know those outfits are going to do a very good job they’ll be linked to all kinds of online activity and you know they’ll do the Dual the the hard the heavy lifting of dual Factor authentication and smartphone apps that help you sign in and all those things and I I don’t think it’s ever going to be easy dealing with authentication but I think today’s nightmare is going to gradually be replaced by something slightly more sane we got an email from T2 and we were talking about the Living Social hack he said the reason that they protect credit card information better than passwords is because of PCI compliance nothing like that for passwords that’s an interesting thought and and he he echoed some of this SS technical article saying if they’re using md5 to Hash their passwords it’s probably because when they started md5 was accepted and they just don’t have the coding resources to go back and change it and third why can’t everyone just Outsource their authentication to other sites what you’re talking about Stephen over the weekend when I signed up for air Droid I chose to log in with Google and right after that it asked me to choose a password that’s part of the problem right there I what do you make of this is is this just like Stephen says just an example of password system is just purely broken I think that one of the weird things is that when the password system was set up it wasn’t I don’t think was this was meant for everybody who did email and who did their Banking online now that everybody’s online this has to be taken seriously at some point because it’s ridiculous when I run into that limitation of no special characters in this like you’re protecting my money you should be able to put an asterisk in this I don’t know what the big deal is I have found that when I moved from my laptop to my mobile device trying to find the special characters is a pain but then you end up using something like like last pass or something a cut and paste kind of thing but you can figure out ways around this if it means slight inconvenience for more insecurity you might want to go with the inconvenience I think the two- Factor thing is it it would it would it would help me out a lot I not that I use the same password everywhere but there are variations of of the same password that I’ve gotten used to and it’s always blows my mind while I type in a password and it’s like oh that’s too many characters I mean it’s like you know they limited like eight characters or something or they require you to capitalize something that you wouldn’t capitalize they’re they’re all these different rules for what essentially might be the same password for a lot of people which I think just turns into an inconvenience not even really a security measure yeah no I think that’s the thing that really upsets me is when you’re trying to follow good password security and they say no no we we actually don’t allow good password security here because it’s just too difficult people just don’t like typing symbols into their mobile phones so forget security for the moment all right let’s move on to the randomizer random 20 years ago today CERN uh issued the protocols of the worldwide web that had been created by its employee Tim burner Lee as public domain uh a big decision that allowed the worldwide web to grow and Foster Stephen you wrote an article about this today uh on CA kind of celebrating the the effects of that yeah I think you know is a pretty you know forward-looking move now granted this is CERN a nuclear physics research laboratory this isn’t you know some technology company trying to maximize shareholder value so they have a very different way of looking at what’s good to do and what’s not good to do but you know just like tcpip one out over token ring and deck net and and you know ipx SPX from all these proprietary Network protocols they’re history the one that won was the one that was open and anybody could implement it freely and it got deployed at scale and that was the internet then you got the same thing happening chapter 2 was the web and it was because it was free for anybody to implement it spread like wildfly and you know now we have the web the angle I took on the story today was that you know there are some areas where we have proprietary technology creeping onto the web namely video especially if we’ve got some DRM technology as adobe’s flash gets kind of reimplemented in the browser and then we have proprietary codecs h.264 and maybe h.265 later so those are kind of proprietary patent encumbered royalty bearing Technologies and you know that means that they won’t spread as fast that means if you’re a startup or a school or somebody trying to self-publish you have potential barriers in the way that you know a lot of web publishing hasn’t had in the so you know that’s kind of I think where things are shifting today the web is now big enough and has enough vested commercial interests that it’s kind it’s kind of hard to do everything in that freewheeling way of 20 years ago but I do think CERN had a lot of uh a lot of foresight when they did that 20 years ago to release it uh in a non patent encumbered way yeah they could they could have kept it to themselves like they and they decided that was that didn’t really want to manage it honestly they just wanted to use it uh part of the celebration is they have taken the original web page which had been preserved at w3.org and they have put it back at its original domain name info. S.C uh and they’re going to run it off of uh I don’t know if it’s the actual original server or if it’s just a rebuild of the kind of server that it was used on when it first Ran So if you go to the info. ser. CH version it runs a little slower uh than the one that w3.org we’ll put links to both of those in the show notes not exactly the birthday of the web though birthday was in November this is the day they they made it public domain so anybody could you implement it let’s take a quick break and thank our sponsor gazelle the fast and simple way to make some dough off your old gadgets you want that new Samsung Galaxy S4 just came out you want the HTC1 huh maybe uh maybe even an iPhone 5 well before you upgrade make sure you sell your old gadgets and get some cash don’t say that sounds like a lot of trouble Tom I’m just going to throw it in a drawer I’m just going to throw throw it in the garage no no no no don’t do that go to gazelle.com you’ll see how easy this is g- a z.com tell them what condition that your Gadget is in be honest they’ll buy broken IP phones and iPads uh and get a risk-free offer for your gadgets you’re like well I’m not ready for that do it now because you get 30 days 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of fun uh it will be it’ll be live streamed live we’ll we’ll see what he what he does first uh Facebook and Yelp both have earnings reports tomorrow that’s uh that’s May 1st and the original iPhone is finally going to be shelved forever starting June 11th 2013 yep yep you can actually get one until well you still can you just have a very limited time still June 11th is when it is it is is retired forever it’s it’s very tired actually the start button doesn’t work anymore home you can’t even put iOS 4 on it no yeah bad camera it’s horrible let’s see what’s incoming instead incoming message got a voicemail from David we were talking about uh how Apple and Google have kind of broken up their relationship has become complex and David likes that why you like that David hi TNT David from Brisbane here yesterday you were talking about Apple and Google’s complicated relationship and as a faithful iOS user I don’t want Apple and Google to work any closer together I like the distance between the two companies Google’s apps for the platform right now are great and if Apple had a larger hand in them I can only imagine them being much worse than they currently are all I want is for apple to open up the system just a little bit give me the ability to pick which apps are my defaults and then leave me alone and if nothing else changed in iOS 7 if nothing else changed just that I would be over the moon thanks for the great show sent from my iPhone thanks David I I think I’d be over the moon with him that that actually is one of my biggest gripes as well about iOS with you David got an email from Chimera says Hey TNT team I was struck by the pessimism that surrounded the topic of unifying these different messaging networks I couldn’t help but think that all of this has happened before and it will all happen again it really wasn’t that long ago when users of Genie AOL Prodigy and CompuServe could only email other users on the same service two-way SMS between the top US carriers wasn’t fully implemented until 2002 and MMS messaging would take another two to three years after that in time as the Internet of Things takes hold the idea of a phone number becomes Antiquated having a standard that allows for seamlessly getting these messages on the nearest screen whether it’s my phone my watch or my coffee pot will become the Market Force I hope I’d rather not have a Facebook coffee pot I I I wonder if instant messaging text messaging whatever you want to call it is going the way of email like he’s talking about where the standard out competed the private versions of it or if it’s just going to continue to be fragmented Stephen do you have a do you have a perspective on that do you have a prediction I do I’m I’m a I’m a pessimist here I think that the uh it’s going to be maybe not perpetually fragmented but what we’ve seen is there was never a standard for instant messaging you know AOL Instant Messenger aim Yahoo messenger and then MSN Messenger all these different Services bubbled up they never worked out together and because there was no single service well then Facebook could launch Facebook messenger and WhatsApp could launch WhatsApp and that’s you know if if there were one giant standard like email then I don’t think these new little fragments could show up on the web and and gain a foothold and gain a social graph and I think that the fact that is fragmented is why absurdly that it will remain fragmented so I I’m not actually very optimistic about that I actually think the the the letter is is pretty astute I think what’s going to happen is we will have some our identity will be larger than one username or one account and that messages will get routed to us via you know whatever protocol or whatever app whatever software uh I think it will work at a higher level but fundamentally I still think all those all that instant messaging text messaging fragmentation is is going to continue I don’t think anybody has the market clout to you know you know it’s it’s not going to be FaceTime or something like that that wipes all the others off the map it’s just too fragmented so I think we’ll have to see a solution at a higher level damn it I think you’re right unfortunately gives me a headache thinking about that ah well we can dream that’s it for this episode of tech news today Stephen Shanklin thank you so much for joining us uh on during your US tour let folks know where they can find your work online what you’re working on over there at CET yeah sure I’m at uh news. cet.com is the best place to find what I write working on some coverage about the future of cars right now the internet of things and high defin audio going to be poking some holes bursting the bubbles in uh the Glorious High data rate um ideas that that are that are uh you know floating out there on the web people who would like to shoot down the uh audio quality of the CD good stuff news. cet.com also folks if you would like to submit stories maybe you read one of 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